OK I know i am pushing it a bit on the title... but not as much as Dwayna Litz does on this post at CRN.
She says this:
"5 Elements (pentagram)Earth, wind, fire, air, sky (or spirit)
Satan has (limited) power over the elements
Job 2:6-God gives Satan power (Job 1:6-8)
Job 1:16- Satan sends fire from heaven
Job 1:17- Satan has power over the nations
Job 2: 7- Satan has power over disease (limited)
Exodus 7:22- Satan duplicated miracles of Moses-power to work miracles
Revelation 21:1, 5 - God destroys the elements/ new heaven and new earth"
Yet, at Mosaic they say this:
WIND - Commission - Acts 2:2
Mission is why the Church exists.
WATER - Community - John 7:38
Love is the context for all mission.
WOOD - Connection - John 15:5
Structure must always submit to Spirit.
FIRE - Communion - Hebrews 12:29
Relevance to culture is not optional.
EARTH - Character - Genesis 2:7
Creativity is the natural result of spirituality
Now if one looks at the Bible about these things we find some interesting things...
Wind is also the word for Breath... and is often a reference to the Holy Spirit.
Dwayna attributes Wind to Satan... yet scripture states that God is in control...
Genesis 8:1Genesis 8 "But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters receded."
Water is often used in the bible for the symbol of being cleansed by God... It is related to Baptism... again God also used water to save Noah and judge the world... so God is in control of the water. (Matthew 3:11; Hebrews 10: 19-22 ; 1 Peter 3:18-20)
Wood was used for fuel at the alters for sacrifice. It is also what the Cross was made of... so also God told Noah to Build the Ark out of wood... So to attribute wood to Satan is to attribute the Cross to Satan also!
Fire is what the Holy Spirit is likened to. It is also how God will cleanse the earth... so God is in control of fire... remember also it was not Satan who sent fire that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah... but God... and Satan was limited by God in what he could do to Job.
Earth is what God created for man to dwell on... God created it and called it good... God is also redeeming it from dominion of fallen mankind.
Dwayna needs to be careful as she is falling into the same thing the Pharisees did with Jesus. Matthew 12:24 states much the same thought that she expresses... "But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "It is only by Beelzebub, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons." "
Beware when someone attributes the things of God to Satan... as the scripture teaches: 2 Cor 11: 12-15 "For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve."
Be not deceived...
Blessings,
iggy
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If anyone is an agent of the accuser, it is the folks at CRN. At best they are absolute nut jobs. Not only does it look like they don't know what they are talking about, they have applied shock statements combined with broad generalizations, i.e., Satanism and Emergents go together.
But that aside, while I thought the core convictions of Mosaic and even the wording of the core values were great, I struggled with the push to link to the 5 elements and what appears to be the ying-yang symbol for water. I'm not sure why they would bother to go into that territory.
What are your thoughts? Did you find that helpful? To me it was distracting at best.
The symbol for water as i recall is not Ying/Yang at all it is a wave or a drop, but it did not come out in detail do to size. i am planning on calling them sometime later today and asking more about it.
The real issue is that in Litz' list,
Earth, wind, fire, air, sky (or spirit)
there a big difference
Mosaic's is
Wind, water, wood, fire, earth
Note that Mosaic's is wood instead of sky? yet she assumes it is still a pentagram? This is like saying TULIP is a pentagram because there are five points to Calvinism... or the five points of Armeniamism... she is making a big leap here.
Blessings,
iggy
Thanks - you are younger than I am with better eyesight I guess ;-)
You're right about the CRN gang though - they are as bad or worse than anything they report on. More amazing than what they write is that they seem to have a following. Even the smallest amount of having your brain engaged should keep you from buying into their stuff.
Anyway, thanks for the clarification ... still think the verbiage was better than the imagery but again, I'm old ...
I am old... so old I was just debating if I was 41 or 42...
LOL! It happens at times...
It was just my eyesight (which is rather poor) but I remember this topic coming out before... and that Mosaic explained it was not a yin/yang, but a drop and wave... which they even admitted did not turn out quite like they wanted...
I am going to call them soon to verify all this.
Blessings,
iggy
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