Ken shows us more of his implosionAn Idea Concerning Controversy on the Pyro Posters for the Emerging Church
Here are some quotes from the "Grace to you" team. You know those guys who follow John MacArthur showing their version of grace, mercy and love to those who they deem not worthy!
Truly this poster in particular is a projection of themselves. It shows that "masks" are very important and even more than what is underneath (the fruit of Johnny Mac's Ministry) is "meaner and scarier that you thought!"
The most interesting "comment" is that last two. One about a mom whose young child flicks her so she "flicks" her young child back HARDER... again I don't remember "flicking" anyone. I do remember that Johnny Mac has declared a "truth war" (I am still trying to figure out if he is against truth of for it LOL!)
Ken makes sure he gets the last line in, yet it seems that really all this looks like is a bully who got mad because a young Christian turned the other cheek.
The creator of these posters is credited to Phil Johnson who is the executive Director of Grace to You, a Christian tape and radio ministry featuring the preaching ministry of John MacArthur. Phil has been closely associated with John MacArthur since 1981 and edits most of MacArthur's major books.
This might have been funny if it wasn't so juvenile.
Below are the "mature", "Grace to you" Christian's comments.
Be Blessed,
iggy
centuri0n said...
Boy, that's gotta sting.But, sadly, it didn't bring anyone to Jesus, so, you know, "like ministry", dude. You should do more ministry rather than bringing me down.Now I'm going to play in the sunshine where it's warm and stuff, and you can just go be a rain cloud someplace else. Jesus hates haters, man. 12:59 PM, August 04, 2007
Boy, that's gotta sting.But, sadly, it didn't bring anyone to Jesus, so, you know, "like ministry", dude. You should do more ministry rather than bringing me down.Now I'm going to play in the sunshine where it's warm and stuff, and you can just go be a rain cloud someplace else. Jesus hates haters, man. 12:59 PM, August 04, 2007
centuri0n said...
Isn't that Mensa Reject on the left on the second one? My left. 1:00 PM, August 04, 2007
Isn't that Mensa Reject on the left on the second one? My left. 1:00 PM, August 04, 2007
Grace said...
Exactly what I was thinking.I suppose it's unloving for me to call their reaction hypocrisy. But it's my honest opinion. So what do emergents value more: tolerance or transparency? 1:43 PM, August 04, 2007
Exactly what I was thinking.I suppose it's unloving for me to call their reaction hypocrisy. But it's my honest opinion. So what do emergents value more: tolerance or transparency? 1:43 PM, August 04, 2007
SolaMeanie said...
"I'm shocked..SHOCKED..that there is satire going on in here!" (Interrupted by waiter) "Your next tweak, sir..." (hands poster to Phil)"Thank you very much. Clear the room immediately!"**With thanks to Claude Rains and Casablanca** 1:57 PM, August 04, 2007
"I'm shocked..SHOCKED..that there is satire going on in here!" (Interrupted by waiter) "Your next tweak, sir..." (hands poster to Phil)"Thank you very much. Clear the room immediately!"**With thanks to Claude Rains and Casablanca** 1:57 PM, August 04, 2007
Libbie said...
You can't work a waaaambulance into this somewhere?Now, now boys, it's not big and it's not clever.Oh, alright then, it is. 2:47 PM, August 04, 2007
You can't work a waaaambulance into this somewhere?Now, now boys, it's not big and it's not clever.Oh, alright then, it is. 2:47 PM, August 04, 2007
Ken Silva said...
You know, I have to wonder here. The Christ followers in the emerging church are all about engaging culture, hanging out with sinners, and going to the pub to discuss Jesus.Well I wonder, why don't they just reimagine that there's a hip new stand-up comic performing at one of these pubs and she is using these lines in her act. Pretty funny stuff. 9:03 PM, August 04, 2007
You know, I have to wonder here. The Christ followers in the emerging church are all about engaging culture, hanging out with sinners, and going to the pub to discuss Jesus.Well I wonder, why don't they just reimagine that there's a hip new stand-up comic performing at one of these pubs and she is using these lines in her act. Pretty funny stuff. 9:03 PM, August 04, 2007
terriergal said...
Another couple of brilliant ones.The more I talk to emergents, the more dizzy I get trying to keep up with jumping trains of thought. Lord, open their eyes, if it be your will.Certainly this great delusion social gospel, seeker-sensitive, emergent, mysticism all converging in one homogenous mish-mash is serving to purify His church...usually outside the four walls of the building.I don't know if my comment at CRN.info and analysis (they actually created a site just for psychoanalyzing the people at CRN? Wow...that's flattering!) will get posted, but here is what I sent to them: Comment from Paula Time: August 5, 2007, 12:04 am“I sometimes feel sorry for the watch doggies. I mean, if I realized that my way of doing church was going to be obsolete in a matter of years with the culture shift taking place around the globe. ”Then… what? could you complete the sentence, please? isn’t this kind of like the guy in Luke 18 saying “Boy I’m glad I’m not like THAT guy…” 10:11 PM, August 04, 2007
Another couple of brilliant ones.The more I talk to emergents, the more dizzy I get trying to keep up with jumping trains of thought. Lord, open their eyes, if it be your will.Certainly this great delusion social gospel, seeker-sensitive, emergent, mysticism all converging in one homogenous mish-mash is serving to purify His church...usually outside the four walls of the building.I don't know if my comment at CRN.info and analysis (they actually created a site just for psychoanalyzing the people at CRN? Wow...that's flattering!) will get posted, but here is what I sent to them: Comment from Paula Time: August 5, 2007, 12:04 am“I sometimes feel sorry for the watch doggies. I mean, if I realized that my way of doing church was going to be obsolete in a matter of years with the culture shift taking place around the globe. ”Then… what? could you complete the sentence, please? isn’t this kind of like the guy in Luke 18 saying “Boy I’m glad I’m not like THAT guy…” 10:11 PM, August 04, 2007
ddd said...
'my way of doing church is going obselete'Heh, if you can't convince people from Scripture, just pretend you are a Prophet (capital P) ... Eh, wait, you mean Scripture contains more than narrative? 7:04 AM, August 05, 2007
'my way of doing church is going obselete'Heh, if you can't convince people from Scripture, just pretend you are a Prophet (capital P) ... Eh, wait, you mean Scripture contains more than narrative? 7:04 AM, August 05, 2007
Everyday Mommy said...
The emergents remind me of my five year-old. We were playing the other day and he thought it was fun to flick mom on the head. I finally flicked him back and he yelled, "Hey! That hurt!" 7:11 AM, August 05, 2007
The emergents remind me of my five year-old. We were playing the other day and he thought it was fun to flick mom on the head. I finally flicked him back and he yelled, "Hey! That hurt!" 7:11 AM, August 05, 2007
2 comments:
Thanks for the post. I completely agree with you. I think however I need to change my tact. In my rebuff of these guys, I have attempted some humor, some flippancy, some generalization, etc.. And worse, in doing so I spent less time glorifying Christ and building up His body, etc..
I've realized that I have started down the same path these guys went.
Let's be careful. From now on, if it is really something ugly in need of public confrontation, I need to be both sober and specific.
Please help hold me accountable. In the meantime, good post. If it looks like Satan, acts like Satan, sounds like Satan, etc., it probably is. The error these guys make is no small mistake.
Rick,
Thanks... I know I need to watch myself also. I seem to just see this rather cut and dry and in some ways, yes, I am having a rather good time as I see the ugly underbelly being exposed that I knew was there already.... yet...
I am also a bit aghast that I am so "giddy" over being right. In that these are (assumably) brothers in Christ who seemed to have lost sight of the Loving kindness and great mercy... and most of all... The incredible grace God has shared with all of us.
I know that in the end that somehow God will be glorified in all this though I am not sure how.
I was thinking though on line pretty close to your thoughts. I think they are doing a grand job in exposing themselves so I think the rest of us can get back to work and do what God has called us to do.
Let me know also if I am going overboard... I need more friends to do so. = )
Be Blessed,
iggy
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