Saturday, February 12, 2005

The never ending argument

Many of my friends argue over "OSAS" once saved always saved, or losing ones salvation... I think this is wrong thinking. Here is my perspective is shared with them. These are mostly modern thinking pastors.

I believe the issue is not a one time confession, but spiritual growth... I see it as "no growth - no seed was truly planted"... Anyone can say I believe... demons believe, but they do not receive new life. They do not have their old nature crucified with Christ.
Action and growth...
To me one can still be very foul in the human sense yet receive Christ and struggle with sin that is still with in... but to just say..."I believe in Jesus and He forgave me", then go and not grow...something is wrong somewhere.
Faith without action...or growth (works) is dead. I think we have too many who are "osas" who are sitters in the pews on Sunday and forget God all week but "feel" secure about it.. This is also the problem of those who believe they can lose their salvation. Funny it is never "I can", but "you can", very judgmental. I have seen many that live as they want all week and just go get saved again every Sunday.... again something is wrong...they refuse to grow.
If we stop worrying about salvation... and think of it as not a destination or line in the sand we can concentrate on growth. If one grows, the natural thing is salvation.
I see salvation as a journey without end. To me salvation is growth...
A simple view is this.
A stream of conversion that moves and pours into a river of redemption and grows as it pours into the ocean of salvation that is Gods Love that has no end. As we grow and enter into Gods love we have the journey continue for there is no way one can find the ending of Gods love.



Terry Finley said...

I invite you to visit my blog and to study the Bible with me.

Terry Finley

iggy said...

Thanks again for the invite... as we did discuss a bit.
I will not be back to your blog or to your discussion board as I see we do not see scripture the same way. I am open to others views but you seem very indoctrinated with your own version of truth. Gladly I do not share your version...
I think if someone does go to your blog or forum they will see others comments and agree with them. You are one of the reasons I have become postmodern in thought.
Be Blessed,

JP said...

Enjoy reading thru your posts. Terry is sure making his rounds as he has invited me too. God Bless you brother. Thanks for visiting my blog.

iggy said...

Thanks for the visit.
If Terry has done one thing is bring a few more people together.
I have too many Terry's in my life as is... so I could pass. I guess the thing that really bugged me was this...
Terry said "we would study the Bible together".... but what he really meant, " I want to teach you the Bible as I see it." Very uncool in my book. As mostly how he see's it is where I came from and I really like what God has freed me from and what He is showing me now.
We are all on our Journey of faith. It is our walk and no one must be the most precious thing we have. I will not let the Terry's of this world rip me off from Life who is Christ Himself and settle for petty man made rules.
Wow, did I just vent.... I should have used this on my blog...
oh well.
Be blessed,

JP said...

Could not agree more, I went to his site and saw of what you are speaking of.